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Today I have to solder the large gears with the hard drive axles first.

For this I draw to the first position of the gears on the axles and imagine a Caliper firmly so that I can later adjust the exact position during soldering.

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Between these two lines I sharpen the axes in such a way that the grooves run along the axis and thus also results in a set of teeth to the rotation direction. That's what I do with my favorite tool, a small belt sander.

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So that the brazing area also connects the gears to the axles I file into the bore of multiple channels into which the solder can be spread by capillary action with a file.

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Then brush the parts at the contact points with flux, solder and stuck together.

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After quenching in water I edit the workpieces to the lathe and plasters them. The teeth I work with a stainless steel brush with the buildup I remove the coverings and fluxes.

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The last step is again a small heat treatment, notably, the axes are not sensitive to shock. So I give the parts again for one hour at 230 ° C in the oven.

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The axes are then ready for installation. But before I fit more to the drive wheels.
But still not right with the chain.

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With late drive to set the track is easiest. One only has an aluminum bar stuck in the middle of the rollers.

Since the drive wheels must still 3.8 mm closer to the tub I edit it again on my big lathe.

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And it must look like then.

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Tomorrow I'm doing the countershaft to then.

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeMer 28 Ago 2013 - 17:01

And on it goes.

Today was the assembly of the countershaft to the series.

For this purpose, I first filled the housing with graphite grease, the drive axle is pushed to the gear, which then leveled supernatant fat to the middle and cleaned the edge.

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The next step was to cut the 13 pieces M1, 2 screws with whom I have the lid screwed. Of course, the sealant was not to forget.

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After the countershaft is now closed I had to adjust the drive. Here's a little editing using a file or belt sander was necessary.

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So then the drive has less than 1mm clearance to the countershaft.

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The assembly of the chains was then just a formality.

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After the drive is now so far advanced I had to for a test drive or the controller soldering and programming.

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And then came the big eye look again. If everything goes the way I imagine it, or I have to optimize something, or even change.

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeSab 31 Ago 2013 - 15:44

cheers  ciao edwin , veramente bello il lavoretto Three Tigers - Pagina 3 310839  sui riduttori e ingrassaggio degli alberi che portano il movimento alle ruote dentate anteriori , buona domenica e alla prosssima up Three Tigers , robby62 e riky94 Three Tigers - Pagina 3 4190927916 

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Once I got next to some other electronics for testing yesterday the missing motors and regulators for the third Tiger since it goes on.

First was again the steel rings of the weights of the series.

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Once these are the engines were turned to rebuilding. Which must be disassembled and the axis are pressed onto the other side of the rotor.

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The left rotor still has the factory settings, right now the drive shaft exits the motor on the right side.

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Such were then the steel rings on the rotors to gluing and pressing. In addition I have also configured the same and solder the regulator.

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeDom 1 Set 2013 - 21:32

Hello Edwin

I have seen this thread for the first time.  Astonishing Shocked  work.
You are a really skilled modeller, my compliments Three Tigers - Pagina 3 310839 Three Tigers - Pagina 3 310839 Three Tigers - Pagina 3 310839 .
I would like to be as skilled as you but unfortunately Crying or Very sad I do have not even a tenth of your skill so I can only look at your work and envy Wink you.
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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeDom 8 Set 2013 - 16:29

Since I was busy the last few days to clean up at me again and work through a few things left lying around, it is now also back on.

Since I from the third Tiger to many small parts I have lying around ready begun at this time also to build the transmission.

As always, the first installation and the alignment of the first motor. Here you have to continue as more and error from here to the end the most accurate work.

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And the second stage assembly.

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And of course the second page.

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So I can now use the gear back sucking in the tub.

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And set aside again ............ Now I'm out the other two Tigers finished.

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeLun 9 Set 2013 - 19:02

It does not help ...... I need space ....

I have my workshop tidy and sort a bit , but somehow I slowly running out of space .

So a tiger after another has just now be done, and I always do but still benögtigte parts when it makes sense in the same package , as now, the batteries for the first two tigers.

Since I have sent three batteries , each with 6 cells get to make it two matched 8-cell packs. 8 cells because it has become easy to be an ideal voltage for my drive and you can then run a 4 ohm speaker has more power.

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The batteries I will build so that each 4 cells can be located at each side of the bath . I also get the same perfect weight distribution in the tank.

So I cut apart the battery on shrink and wrinkle hose it off strong. The Lötfahenen I tear with a pair of pliers , since I do not need them and loop poles at all well .

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Then I melt the solder I sharpened points carefully with a soldering iron must have at least 80W .

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To every battery I have to get two packs of four now dull solder for the second half of the battery jeweis two individual cells together. To ensure it works I do this on an aluminum rail . One side of the battery pack I fix with a clamp and push the loose cell against a hammer -shaped tip . Thus, the solder is melted both poles simultaneously and then when you pull out the soldering iron and the loose cell quickly press against the other one has a perfect blunt soldering.

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One must not confuse the poles , otherwise the battery burns down . Then you must also be careful when you solder the cable to the pending Pole and connects the two small packs at a large .

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To cover the open pole I use an old blister that I crop and then adjusting accordingly with heat. Then heat shrink it and the battery is ready . Now I have to assemble it only with the management device .

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It continues with the speaker that I fit in the rear.
Base and lid I cut cards the same for all three tigers from plastic .

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Before I put the amount determined is of course to be careful how high I can build at all . The tower motor is indeed in the way, but in the end it fits.

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Just as I build the middle part of the tank battery and electronics .

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All inserts I build so that they are easily plugged into the tub without further fastening and also an adjustment to the suspension, or other maintenance is very easy.

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeLun 9 Set 2013 - 23:39

cheers  ola' edwin , bello tecnicamente ma soprattutto interessante la disposizione del reparto batterie e modifiche all'impianto audio del Tiger che stai ultimando con precisione e arte tutta da studiare , buona srat robby62.......Three Tigers - Pagina 3 4190927916 

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeGio 12 Set 2013 - 19:37

Sometimes, it is different and as you think. I'm sick of the never to be in my local, but must always stand in ....

But still gehts with the Tigers a little further.

The cabinet is glued and mounted speakers with some insulating material.

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The wiring with all connectors is already soldered. A 30A fuse is also installed. At slightly more weight it needs 40A already, but only because of the brake.

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This all looks still wild and disorderly, but that will come. Next, I started to connect and program the transmitter of its owner.

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He can drive already and the sound module I program tonight. I want him to have done modeling in military technology museum day until Sunday.

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeVen 13 Set 2013 - 16:39

And on it went with the coordination between the Futaba transmitter, which I had to outwit a little and Beier sound module, but in the end almost everything worked just as I had imagined. Ledegem shot of lightning do not want to, but since I have been making a bonded button ..

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Next thing missing is the attachment of the upper hull and I make with the connector and magnet proof.

In addition I have two thick residual plastic pieces glued and screwed into a socket as wacky M4 screw. To the now stick to the tub I have put a piece of adhesive goings between the screw head and the magnet, so that I do not glue the wrong thing.

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So this will look open.

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On the front I have made ​​a connector made ​​of plastic.

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This weaving is now sorted.

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And so the pan sits now closed.

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeVen 13 Set 2013 - 22:30

Hello Edwin,
the magnets for the closure of the hull have a better grip of the screws, I have already used myself and are an excellent solution! Three Tigers - Pagina 3 3140466873 Three Tigers - Pagina 3 3140466873 
Thank you for all the work modeling.

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeLun 16 Set 2013 - 16:40

Yesterday I was on the model tag in military technology museum in Röthenbach.

Since I have the same but also made ​​a short film of the first tiger.



At the sound but again what do I do, I still do not like the.

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Very realistic in the movement, I like! Three Tigers - Pagina 3 3140466873 Three Tigers - Pagina 3 3140466873 

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeMer 18 Set 2013 - 16:32

Now I'm doing as far as the Tigers finished second. If I still get the outstanding sound module, the first two Tigers on Sunday are ready for collection.

But first I have to break down and eviscerate the tower.

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Then I made an extension of the cradle of an aluminum bracket and bolted to this.

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When I run on the aluminum brackets still purchase a plastic layer bonded to the I was able to mount the servos for the recoil and elevation.

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The button for the speed camera I'm building now getting yourself This is not as sensitive as the bought and better adjusted by simply bending the spring steel something.

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By the way, so I do not lose the plug I have this still soldered to the regulators.

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Next up was the speaker. Bottom and top I had previously gone through.

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After gluing and sanding this also fits the same inlet into the tub.

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeGio 19 Set 2013 - 19:03

It goes on.

The speaker, of course, gets back their insulation and because I was just I have the same Eeny for the third Tigers cut.

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Trimming the electronics and battery box is now a simple exercise.

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To control the motor tower I use a micro controller that requires no separate connection to the battery and fits perfectly to the HL-tower drives.

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It's just a little difficult to solder the cable to it.

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and of course the LEDs get their matching resistors to the battery.

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The holder of the upper hull I'm back with magnets and screws twisted plan.

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and at the end of today I have as far as it was possible the transmitter programming and installation of the sound module prepared.
If the tiger is still coming tomorrow because even done yet.

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeGio 19 Set 2013 - 22:33

Hello Edwin,
behind all these seemingly simple things there is a careful study for the internal arrangement of the components with a well-balanced weight distribution.
Looking at your work is much to learn. Three Tigers - Pagina 3 3140466873 
It seems superfluous now get so many compliments ...... Three Tigers - Pagina 3 310839 Three Tigers - Pagina 3 310839 








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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeVen 20 Set 2013 - 10:18

Hi Gertig.

Thank you for the compliment......Three Tigers - Pagina 3 10115 

and you have recognized it. I have an aversion to an incorrect weight distribution, since this greatly affects the performance even in tanks.

regards Edwin

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Tiger is now the third but made ​​ready.

Today I first mounted the rollers and idlers and set the track this.

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Next was the adjustment of the upper hull of the series. This again seems to come from a new form. I had to practically nothing even though I will always be ewas excess.

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The front must be doubled at the inside a little.

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So now you can customize with a little spackle the Sater.

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To install the transom with non-fixed I glue the sides with tape. Since no glue holding it and I get the part back from the resulting bracket.

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So I can now glue the sides and then the bottom end.

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This must now first again harden overnight and tomorrow we continue with the tub.

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And on it goes.

After I glued the plastic plates yet processed the rear now looks like this.

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By the way I again drilled new housing for the countershaft and milled. In this I have to cut each 15 times an M1, 2 thread again.

This works best when used for tapping a good cooling lubricant emulsion. This I fill out the blind holes using a syringe.

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If one cuts the threads in the filled holes, the liquid is forced out of the taps and rinsed with the chips. So the tap stuck not so easy.

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Then the gear assembly could begin in the tub and it must take time.

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So I have properly aligned with each other and now the gearbox bolted to the counter and sealed enclosures.

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeDom 29 Set 2013 - 0:12

study  ciao edwin , gran bei progressi ci mostri coi tuoi lavori sul Tiger compresa la parte dello scafo e dei motori con riduttori .... ammirevoli come d'altronde siamo abituati a vedere sui tuoi progetti , saluti e buona domenica robby62 e riky94 .... Three Tigers - Pagina 3 4190927916 

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeDom 29 Set 2013 - 17:21

Since I had a long night at work and the day will not be less today, I've only worked a little bit on Tiger.

So I am now just been added to shorten the drive shafts to length and hard to solder with the output gear.

For this purpose I first checked with the on-axis position where the gear is soldered and then roughened with a belt sander.

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So that the solder is a good connection between the axle and gear I had to hone a few notches in the gear.

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So I could then hard-soldering.

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Now one must still turn on the solder joints and make everything clean with a rubber polishing wheel.

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I even brush your teeth with a small stainless steel brush. So they are not damaged and still all coverings removed from soldering.

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeLun 30 Set 2013 - 17:56

Today there is still a first test drive of the tub, but before I have to put the gear ready.

After I've soldered the second drive axle, both annealed and cleaned it comes to installation. The case I fill again completely imt on graphite grease.

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Then, the lid must be screwed.

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The chain wheels are adapted to a bit of the lathe.

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So then they fit exactly over the counter.

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And the chain track fits perfectly.

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Yet set the suspension at the jacked-tub. The best way to choose if you match strips inserted under the wheels so that they rest at just the right height to adjust the individual rollers. You can say that at least make adjustment in the Bassis.

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The chains still mounted. regulator and soldered and programmed for the first test drive.

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MessaggioTitolo: Re: Three Tigers   Three Tigers - Pagina 3 Icon_minitimeVen 4 Ott 2013 - 11:24

By the holiday and all the work in my local I have not managed to post it yesterday, the further progress of construction, .... then just now ...

Yesterday my daughter has built a little further on Tiger ..... (under my guidance)

First, we have built the attachment of the upper hull. At the front and inside of the front slope, it has adhered to a connector made ​​of plastic.

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Thus, the structure is kept secure and can forward backward Dodge in collisions with obstacles before major damage occurs.

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At the back we have again built a bracket with two magnets. Which can be solved with blows from the front, the upper part has nevertheless firmly in the driving mode and the opening and closing a breeze.

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It continues with the speaker. Base and lid are already available, but must still be adjusted slightly.

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And so this is also formed slowly. It just takes a little longer if you have never done it, but that does not matter. This is the first Tiger to the woman also helped build .....

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Enchanted!! Three Tigers - Pagina 3 310839 Three Tigers - Pagina 3 310839 
As electronics sound what do you use? Benedini?
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Hi Gertig,

for the sound and multiple functions I use the sound module of Beier.

regards Edwin

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